16 January 2008

Hillary Does Tyra

If that sounds titillating, I'm betting you watched American Idol last night rather than the debates. Well tune in kids, because Hillary Clinton, US Senator and presidential candidate, will appear on the illustrious Tyra Banks Show January 18th.

They will discuss such meaty subjects as what title to bestow upon Bill, should she be elected, and which reality show Hillary could envision herself on. (Apparently, "First Mate" and "First Laddie" were both rejected, but Hills proposed a reality show in which contestants would come up with an appropriate title. Also, Hillary, although longing for Top Model honors, settled for Dancing With the Stars as her dream reality show.)

Well. That certainly helps me decide which direction to cast my vote, how about you?

I was surprised to hear this. No, let's go with flabbergasted. I understand the candidates are looking for publicity. Oprah, OK. Phil Donahue back in the day, fine. Anderson, Larry, Katie, absolutely. The late night talk shows, well, that's become routine as well, giving the candidates a chance to show their human side and throw in a bit of everyman humor. But Tyra? Criminy, Senator, what's a classy broad like you doing in a dive like that?

One can only assume she's going after the young female demographic. The polls show that her female support comes largely from women of a certain age, and we all know how reliable the polls are. I'm sorry, Senator, but if Tyra is your chosen medium, exactly what demographic do you think you're targeting? Because, personally, I'd consider going after one that votes. (Yes, that was snippy and presumptuous. Flog me. Whatever.)

As a woman, I detest Tyra's TV offerings. I'm not saying she should become a political pundit or change the types of shows she does. You want to do a show about America's next superstar model, fine, that's not my beef. You want to do the Oprah wannabe thing, no problem. Practice that inflection in the mirror all you want, honey. It's not the shows themselves, it's the way they're done that bothers me. She is in a position of influence, with the potential to be a strong positive model for young women on issues like standards of beauty, weight, self esteem, and self worth. Unfortunately, her influence is more harmful than positive.

As the mother of a teenage daughter who does, to my chagrin, enjoy watching Top Model, I have a real problem with the message that Tyra sends to young women --- particularly to young women of color. From the time they were born, my daughters have learned from the media that white is right, thin is in. So forgive me for holding Tyra to a higher standard, but yes, as a woman of color, a woman who has struggled with weight, she should know better. She should damn well know better, and she's in a position to do something about it, but she's blowing it. And in her vacuous wake, young women are left with the message to be thinner, whiter, dumber in order to be beautiful and sexy.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is a healthy role model for young women, regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum. Here is a woman who can kick ass and take names, even while her opponents are commenting on the color and style of her jacket. She is a woman who sends a message I'd like my daughters to hear, regardless of where our votes go. Senators Obama and Clinton both being viable candidates for the White House tells my daughters - and my son - that women and people of color are leaders, leaders who have a realistic chance of leading this country. That's one hell of a message. So when candidates whore themselves out to the Tyra Banks show for votes, I'm disappointed. Come on, Senator, have some pride.

What's next, Springer?

Sadly, I'm still undecided at this late date. I was nailing down the issues and my opinions until recently, when all this bullshit bickering started, along with pandering to whomever they think will be most beneficial. I know that's to be expected, but still. This nonsense about the "racism issue" just makes me sick. Both Obama and Clinton should know better. They DO know better, and I absolutely hold them to a higher standard. (Higher even than I do Tyra, if you can imagine that.) Using Dr. King's name in that way, bandying the charge of racism about, not for positive dialogue in any real way, but to score points ... they should both be ashamed of themselves. It's inexcusable. After the hijinx of this last week, I'm back to feeling unsure of whose button I'll punch in that booth. And I most certainly will not be tuning into The Tyra Banks Show to help me make my choice.

26 comments:

Gavin said...

Did they talk about how her pant suits do nothing to minimize the badunkadunk in her trunk?

Anonymous said...

I think she should don some mom jeans and go on The View. Seriously though, Tyra is someone I have never watched and probably never will, but believe you me, if Hillary went on that show, there is definitely a demographic she is hitting. It may be elusive to you and I, but her machine felt that this show provided her with something they needed. Much too savvy to waste their time if she isn't reaching a target audience.

more cowbell said...

Gavin: Given the nature of Tyra's show, they may well have. Then again, you could just as likely hear that discussion on the debates. Personally, I think Hills looks great, and if she's elected, I'll be glad to have a real woman for girls to look up to, rather than our anorexic Hollywood Royalty.

Tater: The View, sure! Although Elizabeth Hasselbeck would probably boycott that day. Hillary would eat that little girl for lunch, and not even notice the bones.

You're right, Hillary is nothing if not savvy. (part of the reason I was surprised -- savvy and Tyra just don't go together.) I'm sure there's a method to her madness though. I just personally see Tyra as a boil on the ass of humanity, and would prefer that young girls look elsewhere for their ideals of womanhood.

Anonymous said...

I also have nothing kind to say about Tyra. I'm rather shocked she even has 1 show, let alone 2.

BUT... let's remember that her hubby Bill once went on The Arsenio Hall show and played saxophone with the band during his campaign. They may be onto something here...

Gavin said...

Oops, hope I didn't offend. I think Hillary looks great, too. I was thinking of a skit Kathy Griffin does about Tyra and she uses the term badunkadunk. It's such a funny word, and since is Hillary's famous for her pant suits, that was the only way I could tie it all together to sound funny.

Traveling Matt said...

what the hell? what's sad is that tyra's ass probably fancies herself legit now. ugh. also, your daughters seem smart enough to be watching top model for the right reasons... that shit is hilarious.

The Witty Mulatto said...

Tyra's such an incredible dumbass. Did you SEE that "doctor" she brought in last week, who magically told the audience whether the five dudes she had onstage were gay or not depending on their voices, childhood pictures, and hand shape?

The Witty Mulatto said...

Oh, just curious - is Condi also a healthy role model for me?

more cowbell said...

JP: (I had my fingers on the wrong keys and typed "HO". But I changed it.) Me too - how did she get those shows? As for Bill, true. But if you're goign to play an instrument on TV, the sax is pretty cool. And Arsenio did have some wit, even if he did sport a flat top.

Gavin: Oh honey, I don't offend all that easily. Ex-army, hello. Besides, it's not like you were talking about my *ahem* pantsuit. Were you? Anyway, I encourage healthy debate. In fact, I'm pretty sure there may be a gauntlet thrown in my general direction once Red sees this post. (You know I love you baby. Hello? Eric?) I hadn't seen that skit, but I also encourage healthy badunkadunks.

Monica: I know! It will only encourage her. "Ooh, I'm big time now! Hey Oprah, wanna do lunch?"

WM: No, I did not see it, because I do not watch her shows. Ever since I saw that one episode where she wore a fat suit and then got all emotional about how hard it was for her to experience being fat, and how she totally understands now ... please. Also, Ms. WiseAss, I would not say Condi is a role model for her views or where she chooses to put her energies or influence, but you have to give her props for coming as far as she has, and paving that road for others. That's about the only respect she'll get out of me, but there it is.

alto said...

As much as her cerebral prowess has always seemed somewhat limited, I had hopes for Tyra when she gained a bit of weight and was photographed on the beach.

She had the perfect opportunity to say a dismissive, "and what's your point', giving the situation the amount of attention it required; none! But instead she had a complete meltdown and said she asks for understanding as she loses the weight!

I guess the idea that the criticism was unwarranted in the first place kind of got lost on Tyra! Long winded way of saying I agree, Hillary what the hell are you doing?

Red Seven said...

I don't hate Tyra -- I don't watch her show, but I did see this clip on YouTube when it was released a few years ago -- not sure if it'll change your mind about Tyra or not, but you might find it interesting ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ5unYaNd3c

As for the good Senator, I have no idea why she's doing Tyra's show; she's probably hoping that Tyra will ask her about the whole "old boys world of Presidential Politics" so she can spread some of the grrrl-power.

Because you know if she's says anything really good or really bad, it'll end up on YouTube where we can all have a gander, whether we're part of Tyra's demographic or not ...

(And yes, she's still my girl. And all of the Dems were extremely well-behaved in the Nevada debate last night, just sayin'.)

REAL ESTATE WITH RUBEN said...

Wow I will set the DVR for the gal on gal action...this rates right up there with Madonna on Oprah! This should be a gay holiday!

sageweb said...

Okay I really didn't know what Tyra did or does. I watched the video Red so nicely put up. So I don't get it, she is bitchin about people bitchin about her being fat. But she is on a model show and she tells the girls to get thinner. Hmmmm And now Hillary is on her show...will she tell Hill to lose weight too? ALL WOMEN confuse the HELL out of me!!!! But I love them.

Seriously though they study all this shit. They waste valuable brain cells to figure that this might get them so many votes.

Have any of them signed up to talk with Ellen??

Lorraine said...

You know, I gotta tell ya, Tyra Banks just bugs the shit out of me. Her fluttering eye thing and trying to get all Oprah on us and all when she's really just, uh, I dunno, Tyra...yeah, kinda feeling the whoring vibe here, too. And that...I'd pontificate but instead I think I'm just gonna go take a shower.

Lorraine said...

Oh, and as to what JP said? Hi, Arsenio was cool. I mean, dude, he was in a Paula Abdul video.

Oops.

Lorraine said...

Oh, and as long as I'm not pontificating...you know what really does bug me a lot about Tyra? I did happen, one night in a weak moment, to catch part of her show and it was all about her showing 'razzi photos that had been used in some rag with headlines about how "fat" she was and she was making this hugely impassioned speech about "a woman's body" and "havin' some meat" and "don't be ashamed" and all righteous and all and I'm going "Go, girl. Preach it!" and then, like the next night, I'm over at the Neighbor's (who watches Top Model) and there's all this critique about the way the girls look and I was just WTF?

Seriously. That's my issue (and I guess you already went there) but dude, pick a side.

Hillary coulda done better. And also, snaps for not defending her just because she's a Dem. I mean, we really need to hold our people accountable. Like smacking Obama for the whole Jesse Jackson Jr/Hillary crying thing. So, so wrong.

(packs up soap box and goes home)

Red Seven said...

OK, well ... I *never* watch Top Model, so I guess I missed that thing; I've only ever seen the "Kiss my Fat Ass" clip, which seemed kinda cool out of context.

But seriously you guys, did you watch any of the Nevada debate? All three Democratic candidates were civil, cordial, even complimentary towards each other, and it seemed genuine. They saved their pointed barbs for Dubya and acted like a team; both Barack and Hillary noted that their supporters can sometimes be "overzealous" and they really seemed to have mended fences. That, or they could sense their base getting really pissed off at them for being in such a stupid fight and called it off before EVERYONE's numbers started to tank. It was probably the latter, huh?

Elizabeth said...

I guess she's just trying to humanize herself and. poor thing, I think it's a damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don't situation. She's the first woman to have a real shot at the Whitehouse and there isn't a rule book for her, so she's winging it. But the MLK remark was stupid and awful, and the tyra appearance does smack (loudly) of pandering...

Can I just add, here, that I adore your oldest daughter! condi Rice! Nice little dig, Witty Mulato! And it was equally adorable to see your buttoned up response, Cowbell. Yay for family dynamics (except for mine, which are a pain in the ass).

evilganome said...

My knowledge of Tyra Banks is non existent and I cherish my ignorance. But I agree with Tater, if Hillary is doing this, she has a good reason. As for all the nonsense with the Democratic candidates, it is a relief that they are, at least publicly mending fences and closing ranks.

I'm still leaning towards Hillary, but as I've said before elsewhere, I'm not crazy about any of them and am just planning on holding my nose and voting Democratic.

Craig D said...

Remember MTV & "Boxers or briefs?"

Yeah, that's how the Clintons roll!

Good observations, though.

sageweb said...

Okay I am outing myself....I am with Red. I am going with Hillary. She seems to be the toughest out there. I don't care if her Peeps make strange choices for her to go sit with Tyra. I know everyone is dogging Tyra...so am I, but she is hot. Off topic.

rosemary said...

Hum, maybe Tyra and some $$$$in her last name. As far as Tyra herself is concerned, everyone has a talk show....everyone. i'm thinking of starting "Name that SCAT, with rosemary!" After all is said and done it is all just crap.

Red Seven said...

By the way, the Tyra Banks Show has its own YouTube account, and there are already clips from the Hillary appearance, including the MLK question.

Just for grins, I did a little Google search, and confirmed that Obama appeared on the Tyra Show last fall -- when he was still the struggling underdog completing against the "inevitable" Senator from New York. My, how things change ... and don't.

Red Seven said...

Well, there's me and Sage -- does that count as a posse? I always wanted a posse ...

more cowbell said...

Holy crap, looks like Tyra brought on some commentary! And a mini posse!

Al: "cerebral prowess" - ha! I agree - when that drama w/ the tabloid pics came out, I was all, "You go, Tyra!" and was hopeful that she'd step up to that opportunity. At first she seemed to, but then, she reverted and reinforced exactly what she'd been railing against. -sigh-

Red: Yes, she did seem to take a healthy stand on this in the beginning -- she was all, "So what? What is wrong with you people, this is a woman's body," yada yada. She even published some more flattering pics of herself, that looked DAMN good, published her actual weight, which was gutsy, and really spoke out about how inappropriate the whole thing was, and how messed up the body image issue is to begin with. But ... less than 2 months later, she was again on the mag covers, suddenly skinny, sporting a little bikini, talking about how she'd lost the weight, how she was now back down to a good size, yada yada. So she was barking out both sides of her mouth -- actions speak louder than words, and young girls see that. Not only do they see it, but then Tyra's words become nothing more than bullshit. In other words, "say you want a healthy body, but in reality, best get skinny, girl." Same deal with the message she's giving to young girls of color by sporting that straight blonde hair. But you well know that is another whole subject for another day. Whew.

And yes, the debates were pretty good as far as stopping the nonsense. More on that ...

Realtor: I don't think it's going to be that kind of gal on gal action. Not until after the election anyway.

Sageweb: Right, I actually like that she bitched abotu it and called the media out, but it was how she handled things AFTER, combined with her messages on the Top Drivel show that makes it bullshit. And I like Ellen. I'd like to see the candidates do her daily dance with her. That would rock.

Lorraine: 1)the fluttering eye thing! Yes yes yes! Blech! 2)Yeah, I actually liked Arsenio. I also wore pleated jeans with a bad perm then, so grain of salt. 3)A big hellyeah on the discrepancy of her messages on the weight thing. THat's what pissed me off about it. And absolutely -- we do need to hold them accountable. All 3 of the top candidates have done things that have really disappointed me during this campaign. (and let's not even get into the media) That "Hillary crying" thing? As a woman, I was furious with the way that was handled, and as Red mentioned, if anything that pushed me a little more toward her corner. But then she did some other shit, and Tyra happened, and it's a wash.

Red2: On the debates, yes, I was very pleased to see them finally acting like grown ups. I do think it was probably largely self serving though -- they had to realize they were looking like asshats, and that's only going to hurt their own campaigns more than anything they'd gain by engaging in said asshattery. Also, they had to know that by acting like asses, some moderates or Indies may slip on back to the Mormongelical side.

E: You're right - I think Clinton is having to walk even a finer line than Obama in that regard. Being the first (realistic) woman in that position, yes, she's winging it, and those media vultures are all over her. It's not quite politically correct for them to bring up certain "racial" things like, hmm, wonder what Obama used in his hair for the debate, but they'll bring up crap like her clothes or makeup or whether a female could "handle" meeting with international heads of state. They'd never say, "hey, could a Black guy handle the pressure?" but they'll pose the question about a woman. So yeah, good point, she really is walking a thin line there.

Also, the bit with my kickass wiseass daughter is even funnier when you know that it also refers to an inside joke involving my cynical Seattle friend. My friend HATES Condi with a passion. She is also very knowledgeable and experienced in anti-racism work, and lived a large portion of her life in the Black community. We have an ongoing debate about how, regardless of her politics, Condi has come a long way baby. My friend, who is usually all about that shit, is like, "no, she uses her influence for evil, she gets no credit, she kisses cowboy ass, I hate her ..." and on and on. She doesn't even give Condi credit for having hot boots. The Bohemian has been witness to these debates often enough that she probably dreams about Condi. So she is, in fact, witty on so many levels. Brat.

EvilG: I cherish your ignorance in that regard as well. And I think there will be a fair amount of nose holding all around. I do feel somewhat encouraged by these 3, even though I have issues with each one. And the Cowboy Child will be out, so that's a plus.

Craig: No, I don't remember that ... I may have been living abroad then. (hahaha, didn't that sound fancy? hoo-hooo, I was living, and I was a broad. OK. I'll stop now.)

Sageweb2: She is tough. I, unlike the media vultures, have no doubt that she could handle any foreign head of state, or even Godzilla or Mothra. And yes, Tyra is hot, my beef is that she makes girls believe that's all that matters.

Rosemary: No, everyone does not have a talk show, because if they did, I would be watching the Hat. Nightly. With popcorn. Oh, also, Vote or Scat.

Red3&4: What?! Obama jumped on the whorewagon? First? [shakes head sadly] Seriously folks, if I see any of them on Springer, I'm begging a Canadian to enter into a contract marriage with me. Willym, you had to up and marry Laurent, with no regard for my needs, so you're off the hook. Al, you're on notice.

Also, I knew you would show up wiht a posse.


----whew. nobody else better have commented while I was writing that up.

yellowdoggranny said...

arghghgh!...for petes sake...hasn't the woman got more important issues than what to call bill?...how about pussy hound?....tyra can kiss my ass..first she wants people to kiss her ass because she's getting fat..then she stands in judgement on her other show with model contestants...kill me now