Kellyanne Trips to the Back of the Bus
Did anyone else catch Larry King Live tonight? Larry's subject this evening was "Campaign Clash". Republicans against Democrats. I fixed a snack and settled in for a good round of political fisticuffs. One of his guests was Kellyanne Conway, Republican strategist and CEO of the Polling Company.
I just heard Kellyanne say this, live,
This is what [John McCain] is doing behind the scenes now while Hillary and Obama argue about whether she should let him sit on the back of the bus of her presidential ticket, or he argues whether or not she lied us into war in 2002.
Oh yes she did.
And then had the nerve to act like she had no idea what the problem was, while she continued gnawing on her foot. Like a fox caught in a trap.
Jamal Simmons, coolheaded Democratic strategist and an Obama supporter, handled it beautifully, calling her out on her gaffe, clarifying that the remark had absolutely no connection to the Clinton campaign, and settling back to watch her try to extricate that foot. But here, check out the transcript for yourselves. (emphasis mine)
SIMMONS: Larry, we have to address that. We have to address that. This back of the bus comment is beyond the pale. I think Senator Clinton, whatever our disagreements are between the two candidates, Senator Clinton has never done or said anything that would imply that she would rather have Barack Obama sitting in the back of her campaign bus.
CONWAY: No, as VP. You aren't paying attention.
SIMMONS: No, you are not speaking clearly, because that's out of line.
CONWAY: No, she doesn't want him to be the first Black president. She wants him to be her VP. She said that this week. She would consider putting him on her ticket, but I guess he wouldn't consider putting her on his ticket, would he?
KING: Did you use the term back of the bus?
CONWAY: I did. I just said ---
KING: Meaning?
CONWAY: Meaning that she wants --- she has said she would have Barack Obama as her VP. Thereby she is denying something that many Republicans are not denying, that Barack Obama has a very strong chance of becoming this country's first Black president, that someone like me respects.
SIMMONS: We can move along. I was there for a lot of Bill Clinton and Al Gore's time and Al Gore never sat in the back of the bus.
You go, Mr. Simmons. Call it out.
Now, if Ms. Conway's back of the bus comment truly had no racial context, why then, does she proceed to bring up race -- twice? I'm sorry, but there is a world of difference between saying that Clinton doesn't want Obama "to be the first Black president", and saying Clinton doesn't want anyone to become president but her, right?What did Black have to do with anything? No one brought that up, Kellyanne.
Careful, honey, your slip is showing, and it's cut on the bias.
And that entire last comment of hers ... where do I even start? She says that Clinton "would have him as her VP", and that this somehow means Clinton is denying what Republicans are willing to face, which is that Obama could become the first Black president.
What?
First off, that's not accurate. Clinton has not said that. Second, even if she had said she wants him as VP, how does it follow that she's denying anything? And third -- again -- what's Black got to do with it? That was not part of the conversation until you brought it in, Kellyanne.
But hey, at least she pointed out that the first Black president would be a person whom "someone like her respects". Points to Kellyanne!
But here's something really interesting. Turns out that Conway is the coauthor of the book, What Women Really Want: How American Women Are Quietly Erasing Political, Racial, Class, and Religious Lines to Change the Way We Live.Really? Because it didn't seem like she was erasing political or racial lines tonight. It would stand to reason, seeing as how Conway has literally written the book on erasing racial lines, we could expect her to have some inkling of the historical context around the phrase she used tonight.
Of course she did. She knew exactly what she'd said as soon as it fell out of her mouth.
In fact, Conway has been involved in sensitive discussions regarding her party's need to tread carefully around the areas of race and gender. She sure has. Seems the upper echelon of the GOP is quietly setting acceptable sparring guidelines for this election, seeing as how the good ol' boys' club has now been infiltrated. They've even come up with a benign term for the unseemly racist/sexist language they're desperate to avoid: undisciplined messaging.* Not easy, I suppose, when you're used to saying whatever the hell you want. Ms. Kellyanne had this to say just a few short months ago:
Republicans will need to exercise less deafness and more deftness in dealing with a different looking candidate, whether it is a woman or a Black man. But at the same time, really charge back at any insinuation or accusation of sexism or racism.
You can’t allow the party to be Macaca'ed. I think the standards are higher and the bar is lower for the Republican Party.
~Kellyanne Conway, Nov. 2007
Well what do you know. She's not so adept at following her own advice, is she? Seems Conway slipped into a bit of undisciplined messaging herself this evening. Oops.
I call bullshit. This was a shrewd but blatant attempt to attribute GOP racist rhetoric to the Clinton campaign, in hopes that it will stick and stir up further division and discord between the two democratic camps. The poo-flinging didn't work, Kellyanne, you got called out on it, and left with shit stuck to your hand.
I do agree with her on one count: that bar is hanging mighty low for the Republican party.
*David Paul Kuhn, Politico

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I am so glad someone else caught that! I was washing dishes with the TV on behind me, I turned around so quick when I heard this offensive comment! This was a blatant racist comment. As you stated, there was no reason for Kellyanne to even make reference to Obama's race in trying to explain the racist "back of the bus comment". It would have sufficed for her to say, Clinton does not want him to be President - why did Kellyanne have to add on that Clinton does not want Obama to be the First Black President! And as you said what is the connection with the "back of the bus comment" - I am trully offended and very shocked. Although Jamal Simmons called her out on this, I wish he could have been a little more forceful with his objection (but I know he must stay even tempered, he does speak in the world of politics).
Really really great post. I give most people the benefit of the doubt, but I just about choked on my dinner when I watched this. for some reason I thought she was just clueless...but now that is hard to believe a few hours later.
Everybody watching caught that remark.
At first I thought it was a very poor choice of words, but after she refused numerous opportunities to rephrase -- or beg pardon -- I took it to be a deliberate assertion that the Clintons have used fear and racism to attempt to prevent Senator Obama from becoming a viable nominee.
The Clintons have certainly engaged in some distubing behavior -- the fear ad, the "lifetime experience" comment, Bill's codewords, etc.
She plants the seeds of doubt for McCain to reap.
You can dismiss all that as Clinton style Ambition -- their very legacy was built on this unethical kneecapping of their vast opposition -- or you can, as I assume Miss Conway has, look for darker motives...
To be honest, I was more troubled Jamal Simmons' follow up:
"...I was there for a lot of Bill Clinton and Al Gore's time and Al Gore never sat in the back of the bus."
I find it troubling that Simmons, an Obama supporter, would suggest that running-mate to Hillary Clinton might be acceptable to Senator Obama.
And, yes, Senator Clinton HAS implied that she wants Obama to be her running mate (if you can't beat 'em, ask 'em to join you!).
Maybe Simmons doesn't recall what they did to Al Gore in 2000, or how they have "rewarded" a number of those who were loyalists. Maybe Simmons should ponder why the vast majority of their top-level insiders are not supporting them now.
In fact, I had to fight back a flood of conspiracy theories when I heard Simmons dignify such a possibility.
Senator Obama would have to work VERY hard to lose the race for pledged-delegates, or the popular vote (impossible for him to lose the number of states won). Even if Florida and Michigan are given the opportunity for a do-over.
ASIDE: it does disenfranchise voters in other states to allow these 2 states the opportunity to re-vote at a time of their chosing, under what have become critical circumstances; but, there is no fair remedy to this fiasco.
So, why on earth would Simmons go out of his way to dignify the merit of being vice president for the candidate who is nearly a mathematical certainty?
There is fertile ground here for conspiracy theories.
I hope Senator Obama will dispell these -- simply refusing to join her ticket leaves her virtually unelectable.
The contrast of Clinton-style-Ambition versus McCain-style-Integrity is too stark.
I live in England and I watched Larry King Live this morning. I was shocked and disgusted by the comments made by Kellyanne Conway. It was a blatant racist slur and she should apologise to the world.
CNN should also apologise. If that is the voice of the Republican Party then the USA can keep John McCain. Obama should be the next President of the USA.
I actually found this post today after searching google for +"kellyanne" +"back of the bus." i had to know if anyone else heard it - and i'm SO glad people are speaking out about it!!
it took me by surprise, actually. who would expect something like that? I was watching Larry King with my mother, and after she said it, I heard my Mom gasp - my jaw dropped open. I couldn't believe it. I stuttered, "Is.. that.. Isn't that... That's what happened.. that's what they used to do..." My dear mother somehow interpreted my jumbled question (I was in shock) and managed to reply with a simple "Yes" and a few jumbled up responses of her own. :) Kellyanne certainly rendered us speechless - which is quite a feat! :)
I too was a bit confused by Jamal's reply. And Larry's, for that matter (why didn't he REALLY call her out?). But why did Jamal seem to suggest that it had something to do with the importance that the Clintons place on the VP...? Maybe he's just being gracious enough to give Kellyanne the benefit of a doubt. I can't, however, give her that. It was painfully obvious that she knew exactly what she was saying.
Well, keeping my eye on the goal...
President Obama - yes we can!!!
I'm so glad this post is up here. I hope this story gets as much attention as possible. Spread the word at the water cooler on Monday!
i was watching that too, and when she said that i thought to myself'oooh, you have done scrwed the pooch'.....and then i wanted to bitch slap her...
Very well written. My wife and I had to rewind the program just to really confirm she had said that. Not being political junkies in anyway, we looked up her bio and were quite surprised on how educated she appears to be...but given her blatant racism, and obvious staunch republican views, I wonder if her subconscientious beliefs are prevelant throughout the far-right?
Well, seems like Ms. Kellyanne has caused a little dustup! Thanks for coming by, all.
The ignorance defense is clearly negated by her involvement in party discussions specifically about race, the subject of her book, and, according to Daily Kos (who apparently linked to me yesterday), the fact that her husband is a lawyer who once worked for Paula Jones and played a big part in the effort to take Bill Clinton down.
Hmm. Kellyanne may have a sweet name, but she's no fluttering wallflower, folks, she knew exactly what those words hold.
As far as Jamal Simmons being too soft, I disagree. He called her out clearly, pronounced it unacceptable, and even though he's an Obama supporter and could've let the Clinton link slide, he made clear that Clinton had never implied that type of ideology. Conway made her own self look foolish without any further drama. I think he handled it much like Obama has been handling the negative tactics of the Clinton campaign: he stayed cool, made his point clearly, and let her offensive words stand on their own.
As far as Simmons' last comment implying that he was somehow giving the nod to the idea of Obama as VP, I did not take it that way at all. His comment, "We can move along. I was there for a lot of Bill Clinton and Al Gore's time and Al Gore never sat in the back of the bus.", I believe, pointed out that as a White man, Al Gore was never the target of ignorant back-of-the-bus terminology, bringing home the point that this was indeed racially charged language, only applied to Obama.
Also, Clinton has not said she wants Obama to be his VP, as Conway charges -- she vaguely tested the waters in response to a reporter's question on a "unity ticket", saying only that they'd have to decide who'd be on the top in that case. That's a big difference than Kellyanne's claim that Clinton had said "she wants him as VP". She was reaching to cover her own ass.
Lastly, as disgusted as I've been with the Clinton campaign's sudden turn toward the negative the past couple of weeks, I do not believe this is coming from the Clinton campaign, as folks across the ether have posited. Kellyanne knew exactly what she was doing here --- this was a blatant attempt to slyly attribute GOP racist rhetoric to the Clinton campaign, hoping to stir up further division and discord between the two democratic camps. Two birds with one stone, y'all. Who benefits? Certainly not Clinton, hell no. If she did have any hope of him being her #2, some foolish play like this would knock that idea right out of the running. Nope it's Grandpa McCain and the GOP sitting in the catbird seat here, if their little sockpuppet can get folks to believe that this was some cheap shot coming from Clinton.
Put the blame where it belongs, squarely on Kellyanne, who has long been a calculating mouthpiece for her party's bile.
While I thought Hillary's statement that she might consider Obama as her running mate was a little odd,considering that she is behind in delegates,it never occurred to me that it was some kind of 'back of the bus' inference!
Ms.Conway needs to look into her own heart,and then apologise.
Isn't it interesting that both race and gender matter in this election, not because Clinton is a woman and Obama is black, but because racism and sexism still exist and continue to have profound impacts on policy. If that wasn't the case, the back of the bus comment would be moot. Unfortunately the reality is anything but moot, so a comment like that is never mis intended; especially by one as supposedly intelligent as Kellyanne Conway.
I missed the show but thanks for the update. And Alto is spot on.
Sling: Me too - he's still ahead in the delegate count, so the VP hinting seemed kind of nervy to me. But I do not believe that Clinton or her camp threw that back-of-the-bus crap out there at all -- that's just what Kellyanne Wingnut wants us to think. Let's go egg her house. I've got TP too.
Al: Well said. Wonder if ever will be a moot point?
Sageweb: You didn't miss much, unless you like having your blood boil with the likes of Ann Coulter's understudy. And agreed.
Unbelievable. All the more so when you point out her published work. Excellent post, by the way. This woman needs to issue an apology. The Republican party needs to issue a statement that rejects and denounces this.
Damn! I hate that I missed that. Thanks for sharing it.
Thank you for calling this out. I missed it, as I have stopped watching Mr. King. I watch MSNBC and Mr. Oberman now. I think her true colors are flying free, and they aren't the rainbow flag. Typical Rethuglican political tactic, with one very foot in mouth delivery. Glad she got called on it.
KA: Thanks! Yes, I think the Repubs need to address it. You'd think they'd want to distance themselves from her and that statement. Or not.
Whim: You're welcome!
Tater: I'm not a huge King fan. He's OK and I'll admit, the man has some snappy suspenders -- sometimes a guest is interesting, but for politics, I'm with you, Keith any day. "I think her true colors are flying free, and they aren't the rainbow flag." HA! Love that.
Oh, mercy me. You know, if the Clinton and Obama campaigns are smart and keep foisting this stuff back on the source rather than picking it up themselves, the GOP isn't going to be able to walk to election day, what with all that shooting in the foot they are doing.
Lorraine: You'd think, right? Now if only Geraldine Ferraro would listen to you...
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